Lowered Saturns

"and 100 more" (nth256) 04/08/2015 at 17:08 • Filed to: None

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For no reason.

^^^ I'm feeling those meats... shutupyouknowwhatImean .

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:10

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...Why do I like this so much?

and 100 more > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:10

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huehuehuehuehuehue....

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 17:12

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It looks damn good, doesn't it?

dogisbadob > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:12

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VTAK yo

dogisbadob > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:13

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Too bad you could never get the wagon with a sunroof :(

At least they were available with RHD for teh JDM lolz :p

and 100 more > dogisbadob 04/08/2015 at 17:13

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Well played!

MarquetteLa > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:14

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Swap out these wheels and this thing would look killer.

PS9 > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:15

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Be sure to check the disc every 2,000,000 years for excessive wear.

Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:15

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This entire set is a case of people paying more for the wheels than they did for the whole car.

and 100 more > dogisbadob 04/08/2015 at 17:16

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Import one of the last truly American-made cars, built to Euro-spec, from Europe back to America... still probably get fined, jailed, and car seized and crushed for not being older than 25 years.

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:16

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and 100 more > Mr. Ontop, No Strokes, No Smokes...Goes Fast. 04/08/2015 at 17:16

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And suspension. Don't forget the suspension. Airbag aren't cheap.

and 100 more > KnowsAboutCars 04/08/2015 at 17:17

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Awww yiss!

and 100 more > MarquetteLa 04/08/2015 at 17:18

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Agreed, those wheels are a bit spindly. But some BBS knockoffs with a nice square tire would be sweet...

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:18

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212.684 mph and class record!

and 100 more > PS9 04/08/2015 at 17:19

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Tolerance for lateral runout on that disc is about 7,000 miles, correct?

and 100 more > KnowsAboutCars 04/08/2015 at 17:20

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Didn't it run the stock Ecotec block w/ upgraded pistons & crank?

and 100 more > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:21

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Can someone ID these wheel, btw? Just lovely...

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:27

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Probably XXR/Sportmax 513.

and 100 more > KnowsAboutCars 04/08/2015 at 17:29

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Awesome, thank you!

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:38

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I don't actually know that, there doesn't seem to be a whole lot information on the engine specs online.

Boxer_4 > dogisbadob 04/08/2015 at 17:38

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Found one . Too bad it's auto.

and 100 more > KnowsAboutCars 04/08/2015 at 17:55

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Just because now I'm curious... From wiki:

On October 17, 2003 at the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah, the Saturn Ion Red Line, piloted by the GM Performance Division's "Saturn Land Speed Record Project" set a new land-speed record in the "G/Blown Fuel Altered" Class at 212.684 mph. This exceeded the previous record holder of 183.086 mph that was set in 2001. [14]

from Saturnfans.com

Saturn Ion Red Line LSR Specifications

Chassis: Steel space frame with tubular steel roll cage

Body: Steel roof and decklid; polymer doors, fenders, quarter panels and fascias; fiberglass hood

Height: 50.5 inches/1282 mm

Length (including parachutes): 195 inches/4953 mm

Width: 67.9 inches/1725 mm

Wheelbase: 103.5 inches/2629 mm

Track: 58.8 inches/1494 mm front; 58.4 inches/1483 mm rear

Weight (including driver, fuel and ballast): 3900 pounds

Engine: 2.0L Ecotec I-4

Displacement: 122 ci/1998 cc

Horsepower: 700+ at 8700 rpm

Torque: 575 lb.-ft. at 6000 rpm

Compression ratio: 10.5:1

Turbocharger boost: 22 psi

Transmission

: GM Racing modified Hydra-Matic 4T65-E 4-speed automatic

Suspension: Modified ION Red Line strut-type independent with coil springs

front; modified ION Red Line semi-independent torsion beam with air springs rear

Wheels: Budnick billet aluminum

Tires: 26.0 x 4.5 - 15 Goodyear Eagle Frontrunner

Brakes: Disc front and rear

So it's based on an Ecotec block for sure.

Most likely, they started with an Ecotec LNF and upgraded the turbo and internals. I wouldn't doubt if they used the stock block, though. Early Ecotec 4s were pretty robust.

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 17:59

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Yup, I knew what class it ran in. Ion Redline didn't have a turbo it was supercharged.

and 100 more > KnowsAboutCars 04/08/2015 at 18:01

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Oh, i know. I wasn't trying to school you or anything. Just got curious and decided to Ctrl+V some interesting tidbits i found.

I'm not one to try and one-up a guy who's handle is KnowsAboutCars...

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:01

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I would have never thought I would say this one day, but I really like this beige Saturn wagon.

* Frantically goes to Craiglist to find a clean SL1*

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 18:03

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I mean, let's be honest, they're still Saturns... and everything that goes with that. But this picture certainly makes a compelling case, doesn't it?

KnowsAboutCars > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:06

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Nah, don't worry I didn't think you were. And it's always good to learn something new nobody can know everything.

It seems that the speed record car was actually turbo charged.

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:07

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The stock sedan never did anything for me, but the wagon has a nice look to it. Lowered like that, and with clean wheels, it's really pretty.

But yeah, it's still a 90's GM product, with everything bad that comes with that.

Still, nothing that a couple of handling upgrades and an engine swap can't fix (except for the shitty interior)...

dogisbadob > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:15

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Well, I was mainly talking about the RHD wagons sold domestically for postal use :)

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 18:22

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Evil thoughts... Those first-gen wagons only weigh in at 2300-2500 lbs.

and 100 more > dogisbadob 04/08/2015 at 18:23

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Oh, i didn't realize they used them for that!

and 100 more > Boxer_4 04/08/2015 at 18:24

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The bra needs to go, but those wheels look right.

dogisbadob > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:24

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Yup! They also used Legacy wagons during the same time.

Strangely, though, they never offered RHD Vibes over here, even though RHD versions were sold in Japan (as the Toyota Voltz).

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:31

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And a 2-litre turbocharged Ecotec engine would be ''pretty much'' bolt-on... right?

or a supercharged 3800.

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 18:39

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Probably not; did the Cobalt SSTC use a CANBUS or was it a standalone ECU? If it was standalone, then you'd only have mechanical issues to overcome (custom engine/tranny mounts, wiring for the gauges, transmission & throttle linkages). You may have clearance issues with the hood or firewall.

Or say fuck it all and shoehorn the 3800 in there, and torque-steer for days! You will have arms like a Greek god after a month of driving that thing!

sellphones2493 > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:40

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Weren't these like weirdly quick because of weight distribution? I swear I read something about that in the past.

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:43

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standalone, methinks.

But yeah, 3800 would be the most interesting choice... Or just go full-retard and shoehorn a Northstar V8 in there.

and 100 more > sellphones2493 04/08/2015 at 18:44

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The 1st gen Saturn wagon was the heaviest of the 3 body variations, and it only weighed in at 2400-2500 lbs. That's pretty damn light, when you consider a base Civic now weighs in about 300 lbs heavier.

I don't know about weight distribution being a factor per se, but the weight itself certainly doesn't hurt.

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 18:52

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I'm sure you can find a Seville or an Eldo with an engine at a junkyard these days...

Is it sad that I'm getting kinda chuffed over this idea?!?

Twism > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 18:56

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And for not too much money...

http://www.ebay.com/itm/03-CADILLA…

This is shaping up to be a really sweet project.

and 100 more > Twism 04/08/2015 at 19:07

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It only puts out about 300hp to the crank, but it'd be worth it just for shock value.

This chart says 300 hp would get you up to about 175 mph. I think that's fast enough for a Saturn wagon.

SlickMcRick > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 19:14

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Hmmmm maybe I should consider doing this with my car. Same exact model and that actually looks rather good.

and 100 more > SlickMcRick 04/08/2015 at 19:18

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If you have the funds and the inclination, I'd say go for it!

It's not so low that you'd scrape everywhere, it's not overdone... it's just takes a humdrum Saturn and makes it look damn smart.

SlickMcRick > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 19:23

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I've found some decent deals. Lowering springs and 16" rims aren't really that expensive. I'm still up in the air about it but may as well do something too it since I'm keeping it a while. By the way only paid $800 for it and it runs beautifully. Performed a 400 mile trip and everything. Only issue is like with every Saturn they routinely eat oil like a rotary engine so just have to keep some in the trunk.

and 100 more > SlickMcRick 04/08/2015 at 19:25

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What kind of fuel mileage can you pull in that thing?

SlickMcRick > and 100 more 04/08/2015 at 19:32

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It's an SL2 5MT sedan and it's decently quick. Also this thing takes turns at ridiculous speeds. Mileage wise I average about 25 City and 30+ on the highway. It also only takes $20 to fill up. I plan on getting a second car by the end of the year but I'm keeping this Saturn til it falls apart. It's a 20 year old car that just broke 120k on the odometer.

Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder > and 100 more 04/09/2015 at 15:04

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and 100 more > Pabuuu, JDM car enthusiast & Italian parts hoarder 04/09/2015 at 15:13

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Holy shit, it almost looks like a hovercraft! I love it!

jjhats > Twism 04/10/2015 at 20:10

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back in 02 my parents were still driving a 1992 sw2 like this in green with a 5 speed. the shocks were blown so the car rode sorta low and would scrape on bumps. i was so embarrased to be seen in that shit